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Between continued R\u0026amp;D with custom test cylinders and input from test users, the final machine design exhibits new levels of cylinder audio quality with increased simplicity and a faster workflow. This presentation will discuss the latest work testing and improving cylinder machine performance and cylinder wow reduction. 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During that time, he was fortunate to be mentored by engineers who had worked in the earliest decades of optical, sound disk and magnetic technologies. In 2000, Nick began his career in sound restoration, doing the remastering and digital restoration of numerous feature films for DVD distribution. He was confronted with the limitations of the analog work being done for even high budget projects. In 2003, he started Endpoint Audio Labs in order to focus on improving the quality of film sound transfers before a restoration endpoint has become known for both unique transfer technologies as well as using historical research to inform transfer decisions. Nicholas is a member of the Impasse Sci-Tech Council Historical Subcommittee and is active in conserving motion picture sound art artifacts. Please welcome Nicholas Berg. Hi. Hi. Thanks so much for having me. I do I do start a little bit. So if I had Jebal slightly up. Thanks for being patient. So I'd like to talk about the new cylinder machine. I've been working on it. And it started like to go back to the the two thousand fifty machine, which some something you saw. I did a presentation then. It was my attempt at kind of an extreme cylinder machine that could rival the technology of our cable disc machine. So similar. Wow and flutter specs, rumble specs and things to what we expect today for Gargi Techniques Machine. So it has a DC. It can be a brushless DC servo would drive a semitone arm. Sure, sure. Sure. Cartridge and all the modern things that you expect. And along with these typical turntable features, it also had some some enhanced features, a deal with the other Wow. Problems and cylinders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=12.03,144.46"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So here's a quick review. One of the biggest issues with the cylinder format is the the wobble since it's such a small diameter. So even with the disc we heard earlier at a five inch diameter, a seven inch diameter, it's an issue. But as soon as you get down to two inch, it becomes an even bigger issue. So you get a noise modulation as well as the wow from the other changing linear speed so that you don't fati machine. I demonstrate how to use the laser to track the radius information and to use that to to do the real time adjustment of the machine. So here's a video I played at the time of the D Wobble, so you can see the wobbling of the cylinder and then it will switch to using the laser information to track the wobble and then to modulate the machine instead. Thank you. So I'm sure I'm sure the people that were there realized that the biggest issue of that machine, which was the phone call. Can you fly over and demonstrate it? Which, you know, coming in it. I don't know. Two hundred and seventy pounds or so. It was it was a bit of a chore. So. So the next step was trying to figure out how to drop 200 pounds or so and still keep the same kind of quality, if not if not, increase the quality. So the the same machine you can see on the right side of the new machine and it's the same, you know, DC servo drive, Esmie arm, everything's the same. And the laser information is also the same. So they are the heart of the system stayed the same. GILLING And the change is how that laser information is being used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=145.87,255.81"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was a two pronged approach. So so first there there's new features so the user can use the laser information very accurately to center the cylinder. So it's measuring micron accuracy and you can get it as square as you're able to. And then secondly, for any eccentricity that the you can't adjust for there there's custom wow. Software because the laser is also tracking it and generating a tone. So this explains real quick. Here's a short video on how this works. The adjustments screw you'll see being turned. And there's a laser reading on the bottom, right. Don't see a laser pointer here. Let me just play this real quick and see if you can see what's going on. I'll try to narrate it. So you go to a spot on the cylinder. There does a set point that tells it you're on the set point and then you it'll do the the calculation in the little processor and tell you how much to adjust to the cylinder. So you have the option on the high res or low res option of the display. You can either see see micron accuracy or or 10 micron accuracy. And so even though, you know, 10 micron accuracy is really all all it's warranted. It's helpful for the full micron actually sometimes to speed up the adjustment and know exactly where you are. So typically, one will adjust the right and the left. And then just. The right side again. And then here's an example of the basic screen of the do our software. It's a botch. Excuse me, as a batch processing. But the original system, I was using the caftan off the shelf software, but it was made for for musical analysis and using the the tone was always a little difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=258.51,381.03"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's just slow, essentially. So what would be the batch process? If you have a folder of files with the accompanying radius tone, it's able to automatically do the due out. So what it needs to know is the diameter of the cylinder that there's the selector here between like a standard cylinder or, you know, addict, a bell or a concert cylinder. And it needs to know the R.P.M., which I've been putting at the end of the file name. And I'll read that in the in the software you'll see. Here there's also a selector for first stylist's machine. Just recently able to read with the other laser optically as well. And so you have to switch that because the stylus is 90 degrees out from the actual laser. And here's the more advanced window that this allows you to create a shorter test files to experiment with the settings. It's also a digital DB ersatz are a wow meter with a center. Wow. Here with a look at the tone and know the exact percentage of wow. And there's also an even more extreme setting with all the other tools to create a modulated wow test files to experiment with. So here's an example. This is a blue amber. All that David Yevhen only sent me. He said was headed for the trash bin because it was so warped and bumpy. So this had to be transferred at half speed because it was so extreme. You know, it was super bumpy. So on the top, you see all of the harmonics of the three katelin that are being being generated by the eccentricity of the blue Armorel. And then that's after the software. So it was very sophisticated being able to do exactly the one thing it needs to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=382.53,502.5"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whereas with the capstan software is designed for it for an entirely different purpose. So I also mentioned the prototype machine. This this was an important way to test out the machine so you could handle it. Give me some Muslims and feedback on it. So I like to thank everyone who gave me some great ideas helping with the ergonomics and the design of the machine. It was great to see all the cylinders that I you and all their help to kind of see what what what they were dealing with. And I to single out a couple of, you know, specific improvements. The the manual design was it was worked on by by David Giovannoni. He went through all of his, you know, his own collection with doing some measuring and such. We worked out a taper that works really well so that there's no, you know, slop and Schimming required and such. And also it if if there is any air, it puts the pressure on the thick side of the cylinder so that that there's not a cracking problem that's been working really great. And then also the the timestep, the the speed control the day. David TimeStep, it was great at implementing his custom. Your speed control for the SMI torn up, semitone down, and it'll go all the way from like 16 r.p.m. to 240 r.p.m., I believe. So that those were great helps. And then just recently, I've been able to get real time noncontact optical playback through the laser output directly. And this is useful for things like crack cylinders or things that you can't use a stylus for. So it's essentially, you know, using the same a laser that's on the machine. The only issue is it does need to be tilted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=503.87,626.32"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so it's at the moment, you can't do stylus and laser together. You have to have to choose one or the other. So the previous response is excellent. The the bit depth, the you know, the the laser itself is good, but the other modulation is so small in the cylinders that it's really only like eight bit actual, you know, bit depth. So so the stylus is still still higher quality with the system. But it it's helpful for instances where he can't use a stylus. And we talk about some some some dict adult stuff as well. So the original dicta belt is an example here. It fits in the machine around, you know, drums and the drums expand kind of like that inside the machine. But one of the issues you'll have to take is the most you are using. These are these stock machines to playing back as well as they often have, you know, rumble and harm and tracking issues. But the biggest issue is, is people will often fold. Liddick develops, you know, create them. So you put like a big crease here. You know, you end up with this hard line here. And that's really difficult for other vintage machines to track. So any of the other Selna machines are able to hold a single dick to belt mandrel. This isn't the first machine to do this, but it is well adapted to it because the the motor system works very well at slow speeds. And the one disadvantage of using the single mandrel over the original design is that the motor has to run at a much slower speed. And so that means that you're your motor has to be have have better and well and flutter specs and rumble specs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=627.46,737.08"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there's an example of a Dickeyville machine that's expanding Chuck design. So essentially be able to put a lot of expanding pressure to get out that little crease. There is one. So the BASF addictive Teleflex. Now by me is the Bing Crosby Collection. And he recorded it. He used the object about to do all his his letter dictations. That's all the letters that were written from from his office. Also have a dict, a bell. So there are, you know, hundreds of whatever. And here here's an example of one that had a paper clip on it and a crease and and the whole thing's we'll see if it works here. It's so great to go along with it. Close to whether the snapshots I told you about, as you will readily observe, I'm not very expert with the lens. For them, too, it's difficult to get four active. Children like these for all and complimentary postures. Back home now and making elaborate motions as overmanning hard at work have no zest for the business anymore. An amusing thing. I arrived home after twelve hours in the air to find it. Catherine. In the midst of a cocktail party with 350 people see the idea. And the biggest issue with Dick Dibbell is they run long. And so they are slow to transfer to other manage because it tracks really well as possible due to double speed. If you need to, because tracking really well and addictive, it's one of the formats is suffers from no test recordings. And so it's hard to work on a machine with no no test recordings at all sudden. So they working on it, doing Digable Test Recordings. So here's the other dicta belt with the Skully laid. I started off using the actual head from a dick to belt machine, as you can see there in the picture, but is really only designed for speech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=741.55,873.21"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the distortion is very high in the fidelity is not great. So I switched to using a dick to belt recording stylus in a WesTrac stereo head, and that'll give you excellent results. But it's still you're still embossing the groove, so you won't get get extremely high frequency response. A exact. And then just a quick update with the cylinder lab test recordings. I was originally using home stylus on the Westworks had it ending. I shop for the last time in 2015. But, you know, the jewel is very small and the home recording stylist's. And so it was important. I'd like to get a couple of the original in your studio stylized and the jewel goes all the way back through the metal section. So the sapphire is a good inch or so long and it allows a longer section, the sapphire, to be exposed and the quality of the jewels seems a little bit better as well. So unfortunately, this is one of the jewels a little bit obscured by it, by the advance ball is the first jewel you see. And then the styluses after that, the the angle of the cutting stylus is really important. And it's hard to see on a skully lane because there's a lot going on. So I had to install a GoPro kind of hacked GoPro under the carriage of the skully. And so this is the video of the other GoPro with put little macro lens I put on there. So you see it real quick. So we'll see if we can get. So if you guys have any experience with doing a whole home recording on Edison Gear, it's very common to get kind of a like a powdery chip, but it it's important to get that stringy chip off of there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=873.78,1000.25"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it really helps to get the angle just right with the advance ball and the studio cutting stylize. It's hard with without the advance ball to get get that kind of a chip out of it. And that's that. Oh, thanks so much. Any questions? Fascinating, as usual. Thank you. In the work that you're doing. How did she find that, especially given your your background knowledge study in the historical processes that what you're doing is advancing the art that they the next step that they would have taken if the technology had been available and how much is leaping. So several decades ahead, thinking about a problem, an entirely new way? Yeah, I would say it's mostly the former. So I'm mostly you know, I spend a lot of time re learning stuff that people have forgotten. I think especially on the film side with optical sound and such, because, you know, as as you guys know, you know, sound started out electrical sound, at least with the Bell Labs and you know, between twenty two and like forty two or so. I mean they kind of wrote the book on it. And so I'm always kind of gonna regret really learning what. But they had already figured out. And on the acoustic side with the Edison stuff. Of course there's a lot less documentation. And so then then just kind of stumbling on the right answer. And fortunately, you know, it's the difficult part. But but I'm sure they had it all figured out. I'm sorry I was wrong. I'm just redoing. But what they already knew. Sell. Other questions. Nic, you finished really early. OK. I spent. OK. The other applications for what you're showing here for improving the mechanical play, black back of flat discs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1001.35,1136.6"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I saw a couple of things go wow. And Flutter is all right. Yeah. I mean, on the flat disk side, it's luckily a little easier. I'm a big fan. I mean, I, I do a very slow just kind of I'm not really, you know, so I type everything, you know, science and maybe half an hour to do a disk or something inside of a disk. But these days I do every thing with with a microscope. So if you if you center the runout groove at that point, you can get it, you know. Exactly. On on a disk. It's all rough on the eyes with with with the Moscow. But if you have the other two eyes on the scope, it's it's not so bad. What's that. What's next. Well, I mean us. So the optical playback that I showed is just only like a month or six weeks old, you know. So I should have some somewhere to do with the laser company now. Help improve because it has be hacked a little bit. The laser to do that. And so they're a large, you know, company. And I really like like doing things like that. But I mean, it's slowly working on them to help out with that. So they're going to get back to the flat, this issue. How did you work on the reproduction system? The reverse engineered to cut her head to play back to discs over. The American epic step you're referring to. Yeah. Could you give us just a little smidgen about what that was all hook up? Yeah. So in the American epic project, you know, we featured the original Western logic system that I restored and it was really helpful on the playback side and know exactly what the curve was and exactly what the electronics were doing to help inform of what was going on on the play side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1139.24,1246.73"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I mean, you know, generally we just have our deep okay guy. So, I mean I mean, generally, you know, if you look at settings, you know, and like how to set your reproducer the time for or your phone a week, you I mean, most that stuff is not really done for from the technology mostly Dunton to my ear I guess you know. And so for example on other early electric stuff they often tell you to have like a roll off of some kind or whatever. Right. But there is really no Rohloff in the West nonsexist. I mean there is. Yeah. There is no emphasis. Yeah. Yeah. So the only thing of is there is a microphone in. So it's a you really don't want to be having any deep emphasis in play and you want to do, you know, carefully doing that. So after the fact essentially that they can get there the curve. Exactly right. So instead of doing like like a broad roll off and just like that. Yes. Nic, could I just elaborate on what you just said about the Kutter and emphasis and all of that? The magnetic cutter head is a velocity sensitive device. The constant displacement portions of the curve are put in by an equalization network in the signal path before the signal gets to the magnetic cutter. So the emphasis isn't part of the cutter head itself, which which you basically implied. But I just wanted to. Yeah, yeah. The interesting thing to note, though, is that on the West Metric system, the the turnover is not drib really detailed electrically. It's there's some some some natural mechanical roll off in the head. And then there's a resistor between the head and the output transformer that essentially throws off the impedance and gives the the rest of the the turnover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1248.74,1371.27"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hello. I'd like to ask a bit more about the tool belt saga. Delightful lost. Is is. They were of course office machines. So I would get for speech. Even Bing Crosby didn't croon his business letters. But if so, how long did they play for? This is the standard. One was also a long play. Like very late one. That's. Yeah. It's like 15 minutes. 50 minutes. And there's what I think that runs at half the speed. So it's it's pretty. Almost 30 minutes. Yeah. Anyone else? OK, Brad. Got a question. Actually, this is a shameless plug. Nick, as he mentioned, is involved with the American epic series. The Next Steps of the American epic series are going to be discussed tomorrow morning at ten thirty because Ellen McGirt, he is on a panel, if you can all make it. You can learn a little bit about what are the next steps forward. Nick's world of American Epic and Allison and Bernhard's world especially. Hope you can come. Thanks. Prices go up. Can you give an outline of a cost to us? Sure, yeah. Yeah. So the basic machine said Kevin Module's, but then the basic machine is around around twenty nine thousand and the modules are on top of that. So the laser module and a microscope and things like that. So, yeah. So they developed. All of these are the other basic models. So would be twenty nine thousand. What does that mean. Well I'm, I'm working on one right now so it's it's a good time. So it's easier to make a couple than it is. This is one at a time. Yeah. Anybody else. And even though it is on the expensive side, I hope that because of the technology, it really speeds up the throughput.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1374.62,1516.12"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so if you're doing a lot of whatever you're doing, it's easy to really, really get through it quickly. We still have time. Last call for another question. This is the way you talked about the you call it the high throughput safety manager and you talked about the safety aspect of it, grabbing the thick end of the cylinder first. Why? Why is it a high throughput man? Oh, because you don't have to. A shim is much and which is a very slow thing to do. So if if the cylinder is not not fitting right back with the other blue Amaral's or some some of the other more black stuff you have to shim and that slows, slows things down. So if you're able to stick it on and then do your radius adjustment to speed things up tremendously. I've got a very simple question. It's not too often to go to a big guns from the cylinder's environment and have another project in 2019. I've got around thousand euros to buy something. I need a recommendation because, you know, write an e-mail to David, bail George or Brad. So your opinium, your recommendation. What machine? I have to use if I've got around 5000 cylinder's bags. Brown the same size, huh? And yeah, that's all. Question mark. So what your opinion and your recommendation. I'm not. With which which playback machine. Which blaming it. You know, all of them. Oh, I'm not naming them. Well, I'm very partial to that one, of course. But yeah, I mean, I hope that because it's much more cheaper to go your way than not. I mean, Arkia fine, but unquestioning. I am not a CI engineer. Some engineers are back at home, but I need to know if it's the right choice to go to end point for our collection and for collections in the center, Europe and East Europe that we can really do the good job with the cylinder's preserving, preserving the cylinders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1517.2,1664.63"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I feel I'll say a good thing is, is building machines and selling them is not my main thing. My main main thing is actually doing transfer work in the pits. I'm usually building equipment that I only use myself. I build a lot of custom optical equipment that mag stuff for doing a work film and things like that. So, I mean, I would hope that a machine like this is is simple to use and a very, very quick to use because because I have to use it. I want it to be, you know, quick and fast and efficient. So the advantages of this machine, I think, are significant. John Levin is making the CPS one, which is an excellent machine. He has, you know, handbill cartridges and those are fantastic. Nick has addressed many other problems beyond that. And I can only say that I own and I care for him and I will be taking delivery of the machine, you see, tomorrow, next week. So I believe this is a this is a very good machine. And to Segway, I think we're going to get a report on its use by its first installation, the folks at its first installation there. So, you know, a lot of things to consider. And it's it's a huge investment. It's a huge investment in your work. And Nick needs to make it to Volt version. I guess maybe for you to check out that way. We still have two minutes, believe it or not. I have a question for you. I've worked with an Arkia found you're able on top with the tone arm to kind of move it at an angle instead of it going straight across. Sometimes when you have a bad gouge contract, but by changing the angle like you're doing on a record.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516#t=1665.62,1782.2"},{"id":"https://arsc.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1143/collection_resources/29696/file/97516/transcript/19091/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We I was able to experiment and get through sometimes gouges. Does your arm do the same thing or is it just the straight? Of course you are able to essentially if you just have to offset it and set it sort of down at all. Right. Track that way and then the stepper motor will. Yeah. But you can't. You have that. Yeah. The other thing that ality. Yeah. It's also helpful though is it has the option to use it and I skate. It's easy to you know. Right. Because you got that as. Yeah. Yeah. You got to push it either way. So now you wanna go for some those. You wanna go back. Yeah. That also will be good for a stuck or what is it. The repeating Gruver is skip group. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So was an narrows or the other way around. Can you reverse the. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes you can. Anybody else? 30 seconds to go, Nic. Thanks a million. Thank you. 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